Curse

~ Dan ~ · Jan 25, 2008, 10:24 AM // 10:24

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Originally Posted by Spike

you clearly have never played eve then which is FAR worse than this AND has a monthly fee. So there goes your point. Not that you ever have one anyway.

It's a fact that the monthly fee reduces the amount of pathetic 10 yr olds, because their parents aren't willing to cough up payments. Please explain why i never have a point, too. Thanks.

Darkobra · Jan 25, 2008, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Because of the meanness of the guy? Is everyone so blinded by the fact that this guy was trying for survivor that they can't see this? Can't everyone see that the jerk took pleasure out of ruining the OP's gameplay? (as someone already said, you should have warped out as soon as he said "survive this")

Nope. For the people you ask are the people who would have been helping the guy pull the monsters to him. They just don't realise it, yet.

freekedoutfish · Jan 25, 2008, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by Perkunas

Why do people hate Survivors so much? Is it because they can't play smart enough to get it, so they are going to try and screw up other's hard work?

How many here hate survivors enough to do the same thing?

You have to look at this from a couple of perspectives...

1) In this case that guy was just behaving like a complete prat and should have got reported tbh. But people quitting wasnt going to impact you too much because you were only being run. But it wasnt the way to behave either.

2) How ever if a survivor joins a PUG, its a different story! Survivors have to accept that if they want that title, they have to work alone or join other survivors while they play.

If you get a survivor in your PUG, then chances are they will leave and first sign of trouble and leave you all to deal with the agro with one man down.

People only have issues with them, if they join your pug and then leave when they dont like what they see.

vixro · Jan 25, 2008, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Maybe he didn't respect the title through being ran somewhere (I agree with this, if you have to get ran everywhere because you're too afraid to fight then you don't deserve the title anyway). While I agree it was total rudeness to do what he did, anyone could have run through the zone to get away or quit the game before getting killed. Obviously the survivor title wasn't that important to the people who died because they didn't try very hard to avoid it.

Monthly fees may get rid of 10 year olds, but I do have to say WoW has more immature players than any game I've ever played before. Whether age has anything to do with it doesn't seem to matter in that world.

Kusandaa · Jan 25, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Craywulf

PUGs don't suck, You just have to weed out the bad apples before you go adventuring with someone. Its just like real life in that you don't hand the keys to your house to a stranger and expect good things to happen.

Common sense would be to talk to the potential PUG, and find out where they have been so far in the game and what they are doing besides the current mission. If they aren't talkin' much then I'd be wary of their agenda if you do decide to join up.

That becomes a slight problem. I don't exactly want to spend several minutes talking to someone before I decide to join up with 'em as a PUG. Maybe I'll ask a "done this before, right?" to some guy who's got a relatively important spot in the group (Deep tanks and monks if we're going 444, UW Obs. Flesh tanks) but in general, I want group fast.

And in am alliance group, if you're a PUG that cause problems and we fail, don't expect staying in the group, even if you were well-mannered and social with us. I had a guy trying to turn a 6/8 guild FoW run into his speed run because that's what he does and kept whining on how we were slow and such. He sounded really nice in the team chat, was somewhat social, never pressured us into going NOW like some guys do ("GOGOGOGOGOGOG!!11!1") and frankly, if he hadn't been so pushy on his "speed" run, he'd have made a good player. But 6/8 were totally tired of his "I'm better than you because I do this in XYZ amount of minutes" attitude, which started AFTER we started the FoW run.

Xisuthros · Jan 25, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

You're playing an online game. You'll always get people like that.

QFT, there are always retards in online games.. its sad imo.

Perkunas · Jan 25, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43

What irked me about this was that it was a delibrate act on the part of the person. This is like my 8th attempt at this title, why? Let me see, I have no "trusted" friends, people on my 2 year old friends list don't play much anymore. To do missions, you really need people that know the mission, most people in my guild are new to the game, and no, not going to a new guild for a title. Maybe now that we just joined a seven guild alliance, I can get the help needed. Next, I don't jump ship at first sign of trouble. I am playing through the game 'normally'. As I said in earlier posts, I was on way to LA to jump into Factions for armor then into NF for Heores.

I know there are a lot of people that don't like titles. They are all over this forum. I respect their "lack of interest" in titles, just don't understand their "hatred" of them. I don't tell them how to play their games. All I am asking is respect my attempt at titles and don't interfere with acts like the other night.

Thanks for all the responces, both pro and con. Enough said.

This now can be closed.

Bryant Again · Jan 25, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

"Weed out the bad apples before you go adventuring..." Man that would be awesome. To be in an outpost and be able to pick out the douchebags would be the greatest feat achieved this side of the universe.

That aside, people are so hell-bent on ruining your fun because it's fun for them. People are assholes. Welcome to the internet.

tmr819 · Jan 25, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

I still say there should be a way for players to "flag" bad/obnoxious players such as the OP encountered. For, example, we can all "/ignore" such players. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to see the "/ignore" stat on potential PUG-mates? A "PLAYER NAME is being ignored by 52 players" would certainly send off a warning alarm or two.

Better still, have an "auto-ignore" feature among your play options. I often wished for something like this when I was playing WoW, figuring that any player who was on, say, 20 or more player "/ignore" lists was someone that I would not want to group with or listen to in any form of chat.

HawkofStorms · Jan 25, 2008, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Ohh interesting idea tmr.

Sleeper Service · Jan 25, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by tmr819

I still say there should be a way for players to "flag" bad/obnoxious players such as the OP encountered. For, example, we can all "/ignore" such players. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to see the "/ignore" stat on potential PUG-mates? A "PLAYER NAME is being ignored by 52 players" would certainly send off a warning alarm or two.

Better still, have an "auto-ignore" feature among your play options. I often wished for something like this when I was playing WoW, figuring that any player who was on, say, 20 or more player "/ignore" lists was someone that I would not want to group with or listen to in any form of chat.

like the "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" feature on youtube... yeah that would be actually quite cool.

has that been suggested in SS?

enter_the_zone · Jan 25, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

Mhe, the rash of leavers when Factions first came out is what pushed me to H/H, since, frankly, most people are retards and GW has more than it's fair share.

Now if only I could take a full Hero party, I'd be happy.

Moral55 · Jan 25, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Sure it would dude,
and I really want to be told to GTFO because some angry guy had his entire guild ignore list me B/C I won on RA, and another B/C I would not drop some weapon on the ground for him.
Any other abuses possible Hmm?

Bryant Again · Jan 25, 2008, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by tmr819

I still say there should be a way for players to "flag" bad/obnoxious players such as the OP encountered. For, example, we can all "/ignore" such players. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to see the "/ignore" stat on potential PUG-mates? A "PLAYER NAME is being ignored by 52 players" would certainly send off a warning alarm or two.

Better still, have an "auto-ignore" feature among your play options. I often wished for something like this when I was playing WoW, figuring that any player who was on, say, 20 or more player "/ignore" lists was someone that I would not want to group with or listen to in any form of chat.

Sounds cool, but they'd have to up the ignore (and friends) limit, first.

Croco Clouds · Jan 25, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

Avoid Survivor at all cost, it will cost u pain and unhappinest

Age · Jan 25, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

What I don't get from Perkunas is that did the runner leave outside of Ice Tooth Cave or did he go in?The words that Ele was saying about Survivors would of made me leave right a way after entering Ice Tooth.I don't have anything agianst Survivors I would like to make up one myself but my patients get to me as I am not as young as I use to be for stuff like this.I have one in my guild who have 6 suvivor char.s

It is harder than HM from what I hear.

Hailey Anne · Jan 25, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Perkunas

Why do people hate Survivors so much?

Because it is so easy to get without really working for it.
Once you get to Lutz you can hfff your way to lvl 3 survivor without doing anything to get it.
It is a worthless title for the most part because it doesnt say that youre good enough to get it on your own.

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Originally Posted by Age

It is harder than HM from what I hear

You heard wrong. Its one of the easiest titles in the game. See above.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Sounds cool, but they'd have to up the ignore (and friends) limit, first.

I wish they would anyways.
Ive ran out of room on mine and I still have many to add.

Spike · Jan 25, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

It's a fact that the monthly fee reduces the amount of pathetic 10 yr olds, because their parents aren't willing to cough up payments. Please explain why i never have a point, too. Thanks.

Like I said the FIRST time you clearly have NEVER played eve or indeed wow as both of them have FAR more people who like to ruin other peoples fun and pathetic 10 yr olds than I have ever seen in GW which I've played since day one. And I've only spent about 4 months in eve and about 2 weeks in wow. Oh and BOTH have a FEE

So NO its NOT a fact that a fee puts off pathetic 10 yr olds.

The fact I have to explain it to you just proves the point I was trying to make.

Konig Des Todes · Jan 25, 2008, 11:51 PM // 23:51

As Hailey Anne put it, people can get the survivor title easily, I total disagree with people who do HFFF and doing "door" for FFF groups. The only farming I can come close to respecting for Survivor title is the Kilroy EN dungeon quest since that "farm run" has the highest chance of you dieing. Although I have not farmed yet and am very close to r3 survivor on my para, I do dislike those who farm xp because they make a potentially cool/hard title to get super easy.
As for people who hate survivors, it is probably because 1) they don't have the patience/ability to get it themselves. 2) they hate them because so many leave the game *which I have never done and have never came close to dieing, even with PUGs*. 3) they want to keep amount of survivors low so that their own survivor will be more worthwhile *most unlikly*. Or 4) they are just immature and are jerks.

Perkunas · Jan 26, 2008, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Hailey Anne

Because it is so easy to get without really working for it.
Once you get to Lutz you can hfff your way to lvl 3 survivor without doing anything to get it.
It is a worthless title for the most part because it doesnt say that youre good enough to get it on your own.

Apparently, people read first post and don't bother reading further. "It is so easy to get." This is at least my 8th try. Actually, I have lost track of the number of tries. Since I don't like the way Factions plays, I won't be HFFing. Didn't even know what it was until this thread. The only thing Factions is good for, is easy access to max armor(IMO).

The only safe way, is to do it on your own. People don't want you in groups or just for spite, leave you on your own, just to see if you will leave. Once you "prove" you won't leave, ie - die, then they treat you like one of the team. So I avoid PuGs. That is why I do what I have to, to get heroes, like buy a run. Then you run into the type of person I did.

I guess, those that don't want anything to do with titles, won't be in or won't fill the Hall of Monuments.

Edit:

On reroll of character, paid 5k for a solo run to Lion's Arch from Ascalon City. Got my armor, so back to the missions.